>> i have worked under george bush and bill clinton and george w. bush and under obama, and the u.s. is still the best place in the world to do business and people on the board of seven start-up companies and we don't spend any time talking about this. it is never a conversation. >> so business isn't worried about -- >> well, that is a different country, because i talk to business people everyday and they are terrified with what this administration is going to do with a second term. you take, for example, oil exploration, and we have been focused on wind and solar and it is about this big, and the president has talked about green jobs. he has not given permits to oil companies to drill. we could be the saudi arabia -- >> but the production is the highest it has been. >> yes, the production is high on the private lands and that is what the president uses to brag about the energy policy, but on federal lands, no production in 90 days. >> why do we need to do more on federal lands? >> because we want to be independent. governor romney has set a goal to